Venting The Exhaust From Your Thunder Laser

Venting The Exhaust From Your Thunder Laser

Preface: This article covers some key points about Venting Your Laser and adapting aftermarket exhaust components

 

Important Considerations:


Existing Systems

Do not connect the exhaust output of this laser to an existing exhaust system. Please consult a qualified HVAC or industrial mechanical professional to help you plan and install your system.

           Do not connect your Laser Exhaust to a Dust Collection System.


Intake Air

Even if you have great exhaust flow out, you must have the same volume of air coming in. This can be realized easily if you are in a somewhat airtight area like an interior room in your home or business. The negative ambient pressure is created by the laser sucking 300-1100 CFM out of the room, depending on setup and fan. If the incoming air into the room and the laser is not sufficient, the fumes will not escape. 

Often by having a window on an opposite wall open, intake Louvers, or a slightly raised garage door, you can feel the air flow into the space as the laser exhaust operates


Negative Pressure Plenum

Exhaust fans work better when pulling air away vs pushing through the duct. When the fan is pushing air through the duct, the duct becomes positive pressurized and that is when fumes and dust can escape the duct more easily. When pulling air, the duct becomes negative pressurized  (vacuum) and any leaks would also then pull in air into the duct, keeping fumes and dust in.


The best solution is to mount the fan right at the exit (or as close as possible which may require an extension cable, more information below) so it pulls the exhaust though the ducting. Some mount their fans outside and have a true negative pressure system. We should clarify that mounting the blower on the exterior is only for fans that are sheltered and/or rated for outdoor use.


Example Exhaust Setup (Nova/Odin)

Here is one setup where the fans and exhaust systems are easily accessible for inspection and maintenance. The fan outlet is less than 24" from the building exit. The left one is a Cloudline S6 and the one on the right is a 4" S series (Odin shown was a prototype that shipped with a 4" exhaust, all production models had a 6" exhaust). The components in this article were used in this installation:

 


Reducers

      Thunder Laser does not recommend using reducers on your exhaust system. All piping should be at least as large as the exhaust outlet on the machine.


Flow Restrictions 

Any restrictions can cause major issues venting fumes. Use the shortest runs possible with minimal bends and turns. The helix reinforced cloth flex ducting is plasticized but it can still be permeable if under pressure.  Rigid ducting is recommended for long and/or complex runs. 


Vent Hoods

It is important to get a vent hood with a damper to keep the outside air from entering the laser, especially in the winter. Cold air from the exhaust system can affect the Laser Tube temperature. 


Info
If conditions are below freezing this could be an issue. It may be beneficial to leave the Machine Lid Up and Tube Door Open on your machine to help equalize temperature inside the machine closer to the ambient temperature of your space 


A spring-loaded damper may be more efficient at remaining completely sealed but if and when the spring fails, the damper is rendered largely ineffective. 


A weighted damper is less prone to failure. The exhaust system must also be periodically inspected, cleaned, and maintained for optimum performance and safety.


Description
Example and Link

  1. Available in 4" and 6"
  2. 2-in-1 wall vent hood converts from exhaust to intake by removing damper
  3. Innovative damper design prevents back-draft and heat loss
  4. Designed for energy efficiency and maximum airflow


  1. Available in 4", 6" , 8" and 10"
  2. MADE IN THE USA: Our hooded aluminum wall vent covers for home are constructed using quality, heavy duty 28 gauge galvanized steel, with the most extreme conditions in mind. The FAMCO hooded wall vent includes a protective mesh screen.
  3. ADAPTIVE EXHAUST VENT: The FAMCO SWV Wall Vent is primarily used for air intake, air supply, or exhaust applications where no backdraft damper is needed. The angled hood is designed to balance a low profile with optimum air and exhaust flow. Includes a 1/4 inch mesh screen to prevent foreign objects from entering the duct.
  4. SELECTION: Our vent covers for home is available in sizes ranging from 3” to 14 inches. NOTE THE SIZE REFERS TO THE DIAMETER OF THE PIPE. Our low profile vent covers are also available in Aluminum and Copper.
  5. INSTALL: Our air vents are made from durable materials making it easier to install and compatible with most home improvement projects. Please note this Wall Vent has NO DAMPER. Please see our SDWV Wall Vents for a vent with a screen and damper. Please note this wall vent is not rated for dryer ventilation. The screen may trap lint and could create a fire risk.




Cold Weather

A blast gate can be used to greatly reduce outside air flowing back into the machine. If you are in an area with extended cold days and the laser is not in use, disconnect the exhaust system completely from the outside air source. Opening the lid of the machine, Laser Tube door and the Front Access will also allow the laser to acclimate better to the garage Ambient Temperature while the machine is not in use.



The examples below may require reducers or adapters for the hoses to fit as well as additional mounting considerations.


Example Description
Example

  1. FOR 4-INCH HOSES, OUTLETS, AND PORTS - Circular center has a nominal 4 inches outer diameter with actual dimensions of 3 3/4 inches ID, 3 61/64 inches OD. Accepts hoses and ports with 4 inches ID
  2. REQUIRES A COUPLER - The blast gate will not connect directly to outlets or ports with 4 inches OD. You will need a coupler/ connector like our flexible hose cuff couplers with integrated dust hose clamps
  3. SLIDING GATE FOR EASY AIRFLOW CONTROL - The manual sliding gate has a pull tab for easy airflow control. It allows for an airtight seal as needed
  4. LIGHTWEIGHT YET DURABLE - Made of wear and abrasion-resistant black ABS plastic. Designed to withstand high air flow rates and resist damage from debris


  1. 6" Model
  2. Model Number: W1009
  3. Item Package Dimension: 9.5" L x 8.6" W x 3.4" H


  1. Cast Aluminum body
  2. Galvanized blade
  3. Set screw
  4. Shuts off air when not needed
  5. Manual Style






Your stock exhaust fan (Q3 2021 and older)


Machine
Duct Size
Fan Max Airflow
Noise
Link
Mini 60
6"
323 CFM

26 dB

Odin Series
4"



Aurora V1
3"
27 CFM

26 dB

Nova 24
6"
323 CFM

26 dB

Nova 35
6"
482.6 CFM

Nova 51
6"
482.6 CFM

Nova 63
6"
482.6 CFM
CZ-TD550


Your stock exhaust fan (Q3 2021 and newer)


Machine
Duct Size
Fan Max Airflow
Noise
Link
Mini 60
6"
323 CFM

26 dB

Odin Series
6"
382 CFM

Aurora V2
4"
215 CFM


Nova 24
6"
382 CFM


Nova 35
6"
382 CFM

Nova 51
8"
735 CFM

Nova 63
8"
735 CFM
Bolt\Bolt Plus
4"
215 CFM

Bolt Pro Series
6"
382 CFM


AC Infinity Cloudline S-Series Inline Exhaust Fans



Info
Since Thunder Introduced the quiet Inline fans in Q3 2022, you do not need to use an aftermarket fan. The reason people used to buy aftermarket fans is was generally for noise mitigation, not performance. 

This is some basic info on AC Infinity Cloudline S-series axial inline exhaust fans


 Model
S6
S8
S10
S12
Duct Size
6"
8"
10"
12"
Dimensions
7.9 x 12.6 x 8.4 in.
8.5 x 11.9 x 9.2 in.
11.3 x 15.1 x 12.2 in.
12.2 x 17.7 x 14.0 in.
 Airflow
402 CFM
807 CFM
1201 CFM
1604 CFM
Noise
32 dBA
39 dBA
48 dBA
62 dBA
MSRP (Oct 2024)
$99
$159
$269
$369
Link



Connecting an aftermarket fan to your Thunder Laser



Warning
DO NOT USE AN ADAPTER LIKE THIS TO RUN AN EXTERNAL AIR COMPRESSOR FROM THE COMPRESSOR JACK ON THE LASER.
THIS IS FOR ADAPTING THE EXHAUST FAN TO ACCEPT AN AFTERMARKET INLINE FAN.

You can connect an exhaust fan that does not draw more current than your stock fan. You will find that info linked above. To do this you will need an IEC 60320 C14 Male to NEMA 5-15R Female 10A adapter like this:

Description
Reference Image and Product Link
  • AC COMPUTER POWER CORD: This 1ft (0.3m) 18AWG AC power extension cable with IEC 60320 C14 to NEMA 5-15R connectors is suitable for workstations/home office | Indoor use | Rated to carry 125V at 10A
  • PERFORMANCE AND SAFETY: UL listed (UL62 & UL817) | Fully molded strain relief connectors for durability | Fire Rating: VW-1 | 3 Conductor extension cord made with 100% copper wire | This C14 to 5-15R power extension cord is available in other lengths
  • SPECS: 1ft (0.3m) AC Power Cord | IEC 60320 C14 to NEMA 5-15R | 18AWG | 125V 10A (Max) | Jacket Type: SVT | Jacket Material: PVC | Black | Temperature Range: 37°F to 140°F (3°C to 60°C) | Cable Outer Diameter: 0.24in (6.1mm)
  • COMPATIBILITY: PC Power Extension Cord NEMA 5-15R works with North American cables | Extend a 3-prong power connection from your desktop computer, server, or printer | Replacement power supply cable/cord


Extending the stock Fan Power Cable

The fan power cable can be extended using a c-14 to c-13 extension cable, like below:

Description
Reference Image and Product Link
  • HEAVY-DUTY PERFORMANCE: IronBox Electric presents a robust C14 to C13 Power Cord built with precision using top-grade materials. The 14/3 AWG computer extension cable ensures a powerful connection, making it ideal for demanding tasks in your setup.
  • VERSATILE POWER SOLUTION: Designed as a PDU Power Cable, this IronBox Electric product is perfect for your PC adapter, server rack, and monitor. Its versatility makes it a reliable choice for devices, offering a seamless extension to your power sources.
  • HIGH POWER CAPACITY: With a rating of 15A and 250V, this power cord delivers substantial electrical capacity, ensuring your devices receive the power they need for optimal performance. The durable design guarantees a efficient power supply for your equipment.
  • DURABLE AND FLEXIBLE: The IronBox Electric Power Cable boasts a sturdy construction, making it a reliable replacement for worn-out cords. Providing flexibility in positioning your devices, it offers convenient placement options without compromising.


Roof Venting

Farbulous Creations did a great video on exhausting through the roof, but there is a lot of great info even if you are not going through the roof. 











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